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Welding Indian aluminium parts?

  • 08 Dec 2015 12:01 PM
    Message # 3688152
    Anonymous


    Hello,

    Can anyone tell my what kind of aluminum alloy they used for the 101 scouts in the twenties? And if you weld these parts what type of welding wire is the best to use?

    Thanks for any reply.

    Best regards,

    Theo Y. Knoop

    The Netherlands


    Last modified: 08 Dec 2015 12:02 PM | Anonymous
  • 09 Dec 2015 2:15 AM
    Reply # 3689457 on 3688152
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    Hi Theo. 

    The aluminium is difficult to weld, possibly due to copper/zinc content. Also fairly poor casting , with voids and slag in it. Try preheat, low melting aluminum , stitching, and be happy with bead over the top , not full penetration , if you can weld it. V ing out a crack is likely to cause further cracking from shrinkage as it cools. Welding on external surfaces and areas where there is no problem with expansion /contraction not too bad, like replacing baffles, and motor mount lugs , welding on face of cases is very difficult, don't unless absolutely necessary , ie the case is unuseable as is. 

    Will try to find code for aluminum rod our guy uses tomorrow.

  • 09 Dec 2015 3:15 PM
    Reply # 3690472 on 3688152
    Deleted user

    A good friend had some 1910 cases analysed and it was nearly pure aluminum with traces of zinc. He has had luck welding by keeping the job as cold as possible small welds with long cooling down wrapped.

  • 10 Dec 2015 8:02 AM
    Reply # 3691935 on 3688152
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    Teens /twenties zinc or copper used to help flow for castings. Likely teens Indians better quality materials . Certainly stitching is good way to go. Long Process. Softly softly. I have found a small pebble of slag in a broken drive case( in the material) . Later cases seem easier to weld, altho not much.

  • 11 Dec 2015 7:48 AM
    Reply # 3693559 on 3688152
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    Theo, I think the wire our guy has been using with some success is a 4047, which has a touch more silicon in it than normal stuff, not sure what the difference is tho, not an alumin(i)um welder, will try and get more info on it.

    This doesn't mean much to me :- 

    http://www.thefabricator.com/article/aluminumwelding/aluminum-workshop-using-4043-versus-4047-filler-wire


    Kepp us updated with what you do and how it works out.

     Tim


  • 20 Dec 2015 9:09 AM
    Reply # 3711025 on 3688152
    Anonymous
    Hello Tim & Peter ,


    First of all thanks for your comments.


    I have approached a number of welders but nobody dares to weld my left '29 37" crankcase with confidence.  The fact is that the crack is starting from the oil drain plug and ends nearly 1 inch from the crankshaft bearing. May I conclude that I need to look for another left crankcase?

    Any help welcome!


    Regards,

    Theo Knoop

    The Netherlands

    Last modified: 20 Dec 2015 9:11 AM | Anonymous
  • 22 Dec 2015 2:34 AM
    Reply # 3713587 on 3688152

    Even this motorshop? I read a little in the forum, the guy may be a little headstrong, but he doesn't seems to skimp on the quality in his work. Sorry, I don't know where in Holland he is located.

    http://motorvitamine.eu/www.motorvitamine/index.php?PHPSESSID=6c77c04a69be846a837642a4ec173f50&topic=234.0

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