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Cam end play

  • 09 Apr 2025 1:14 PM
    Message # 13485432

    Does anyone know what the end play spec is on the cams in our engines?

  • 10 Apr 2025 8:11 AM
    Reply # 13485750 on 13485432
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    Hi Travis, sorry not to get back to you. 0.006" is what the service manuals for the 640 and 741B give, a little more wouldn't do any harm. Much less and you have the possibility of binding and locking up when warm/hot. This is often a problem when new bushes have been installed or the cam case cover and/or crankcase face have been flat filed to remove burrs and knicks from screwdriver being used as a lever to remove, so go lightly here, a gasket and yamabond will get over a lot of surface damage, easier that way than taking off too much aluminum.

    Last modified: 10 Apr 2025 8:13 AM | Tim Raindle (Administrator)
  • 10 Apr 2025 8:27 AM
    Reply # 13485758 on 13485432
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    As an aside, the first really good service manuals available for Indians are the military manuals, with full specs and engine rebuild procedures. Well worth hunting down a copy, should be available to AMCA members in their virtual library, will check later. 

    Everything pretty much directly relevant to 101s, altho they do talk about 0.003" clearance on the pistons, which is tantamount to inviting instant seizure on a total loss bike, and tbh sounds a bit tight even for a recirculating oil sidevalve motor. Assume they had a really course stone for final honing and the military altinized piston rings, which were designed with a soft coating to bed in fast, so the peaks in the bore would probably be worn in a thou or so within a few minutes of running, giving a nice serviceable 0.0045".

  • 10 Apr 2025 12:05 PM
    Reply # 13485880 on 13485432

    Thanks Tim that's good advice,I was setting mine up for .010 clearance on the cam back lash but the piston clearance is now a concern as I went .003 clearance as per manual spec. I can always give it another .001 if that is a recommendation.

  • 11 Apr 2025 1:58 AM
    Reply # 13486115 on 13485432
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    Yes, 003 too tight . The pistons come in at 3 thou under , ie standard bore 2.875 and piston 2.872" I have seen 2 sets of repro cylinders in the last year that have been set up at that, and have signs of rings seizing in the lands after a few miles, and piston galling. I have stories of half a dozen more early failures. If you are going to be really careful and gentle running in, 4 fine, I aim for 0.0045". In a conversation a long time back with Fuzz, a master motor builder and long time member of Reading Motorcycle Club, ( been gone a few years now ) I asked him what clearance on the bores he would use, and he said 4 if its me running it in, 4.5 if its a guy he trusts to listen to him, and 5-5.5 if he thought the guy would nod sagely and ride off up the road at full throttle on a fresh motor.

  • 11 Apr 2025 11:18 AM
    Reply # 13486272 on 13485432

    I downloaded the military 741 manual,the 640 spec which shares the same 101 scout bore said .003 as you had mentioned but the surprise to me was the 741 wanted .006 for clearance. That is a pile of clearance on a new engine,as a engine builder I would rebuild at those clearances but  I can only assume that they are set up that way because they were full throttle out of the gait and being air cooled side valve that would prevent piston scuff and ring seizure. After building nothing but newer automotive and motorcycle/powersports engines I have to remember the time period and application I am dealing with.

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