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  • 02 Sep 2024 9:52 AM
    Message # 13401586

    Anyone here happy to answer a few basic dumb questions please?

    I've ordered the manual from this group but its not here yet

    Chris

  • 03 Sep 2024 1:02 AM
    Reply # 13401790 on 13401586

    Fire away   there are no dumb questions,  answers that are obvious to some  are mind boggling to others!  Dumb is  like me today   Forgetting to fill Wifes 101  and  1/2 way through  our ride having  to back track   40kms  to get  fuel for her bike.


    Last modified: 03 Sep 2024 1:04 AM | Philip Jenner
  • 03 Sep 2024 7:25 AM
    Reply # 13401837 on 13401586

    The "manual" (the R&O) becomes more and more valuable the more you dig into a 101 and work on it. It becomes an essential pack of critical information, especially for the engine. And so do the posts and expert replies on this forum; so I suggest you click your way through all of them - I did and I copied and printed from the replies what has become an "appendix" to the "manual." Your questions, and the replies you receive, just continue to add to the knowledge bank here, valuable for others even if on "beginner" topics, and that information needs to be recorded to be available for other starters. So, without questions of any kind, there would be no replies and thus no building of information to share. An active forum is a valuable forum.

    Last modified: 03 Sep 2024 7:29 AM | Robert Lodge
  • 03 Sep 2024 10:31 AM
    Reply # 13401902 on 13401586
    Tim Raindle (Administrator)

    Hi Chris, manual posted last week, so on the way. No such thing as a dumb question. Ask away.

  • 06 Sep 2024 5:13 AM
    Reply # 13403269 on 13401586

    Ok here goes,

    I might add I have owned a few Indians but not this model and no manual yet.

    1. Engine Oil type - I assume classic 50 grade mineral?

    Are primary and gearbox oils shared? I haven't started poking around yet.

    2. Gearbox oil - type? Amount?

    3. Primary oil - type? amount?

    4. the little relief valves on the heads, do people use these to kill the engine or do people fit a secret switch? I ask because I assume they get pretty hot

    5. someones fitted a catch can for the total loss oil system, any idea how much it spits out?

    Any advice on what to check before test firing would be useful

    Many thanks

    Chris

  • 07 Sep 2024 1:58 AM
    Reply # 13403645 on 13401586

    Hi Cris  and Welcome.

      I use 50/70  weight Mineral oil in   my 3  1928  Indians    same oil in trans and Clutch   . If you  have Original clutch plates a lighter weight  Oil will assist shifting  but must be mineral oil ,detyergent based oils will slip  like crazy. (30 weight    for trans and clutch  if original plates  .

    1928  has a decompression  rod through tank to stop  the engine, 29 and later  just had a lever  that is  top central to the  to the timing case.

      The Priming cups you refer to  are   to add a few drops of Fuel in cold countries   to break the oil seal and allow motor to kick over and start easier  . Down  under in  most of Australia  this is never needed . Make sure they are tighter than finger tight   or they can greet you wiyth lost power and  a compressor type noise.

      regards Phil

      

  • 07 Sep 2024 6:21 PM
    Reply # 13403813 on 13401586

    Hello Chris,

    Its vital you keep the correct oil level in the crankcase. You will need to check often to determine if the oil pump is metering the right makeup amount for your consumption (loss) which is affected by your riding style (speed, acceleration, revving) and land grades. The R&O book will explain how to adjust the pump.

    I typically make short fun runs, like 20-30 miles as often as I can and on average once a week. Even though that is not much my ALWAYS return routine is to check the sump oil level while the oil is hot (hot makes for a fast check). I like to see a little excess come out. If nothing comes out I open the front valve that comes from the hand pump until some does come out, then I close up leaving a little excess in there. The pumps on both my 101's leak with the oil stopped by that valve so I never need to pump. If I was riding particularly fast I may, while out, open that valve for maybe 20 seconds to leak in some extra oil. 

    If a 101 has been sitting for like a month or more (during deep winter) I always drain any excess oil from the sump that may have leaked in it. You will have to come to know your bike as leaking into the sump may happen more often.

    Check the primary level (includes transmission) but less often is needed. 

    I installed brass thumb screw bleeder valves on the sumps and primaries of both my 101's for fast bleeding. I would have to look up what I use and where I got them. But the thumb screws loosen from vibrations so they need a snug with pliers when closing.

    Nothing I like better that an "oil thread" and I have spent much of the 12 years of my time with old Indian motorcycles reading thoroughly about oils. My conclusion IMO: it doesn't much matter what you use with these old engines, except:

    (1) To prevent slipping of the wet clutch the oil must be rated JASO MA or JASO MA2 (this will be on the container, at least in the US.)

    (2) 50 wt. for engine, primary/clutch and transmission is common but since the primary and transmission are separate from the engine and share their oil, using a lower viscosity there, as low as 30, will prevent much spinning of the plates when trying to engage a gear. And if you ride in heat and cold use a multi-grade.

    I have accumulated many oil types and brands and have just used up what I collected so I get quite a mix in the tank. Because I ride in summer and winter and mostly in mild cold and also I have come to keep things simple, I now just use Castrol GO 4t 10w40 motorcycle oil in engine and primary/trans and in all my scouts. IMO the brand doesn't matter. 




  • 07 Sep 2024 6:33 PM
    Reply # 13403817 on 13401586
    John Lindberg (Administrator)

    Chris,

    My '29 101 gets out for 25 or so miles once or twice a month.  Here's what I check before and after:

    • Toolkit in the saddlebag
    • Tire pressure
    • Top off gas and oil tanks (I use Valvoline VR50 racing oil for the zinc)
    • Drain cases of excess oil
    • Check primary oil level
    • Check chain tension
    • Ensure battery is charged (I run a total loss electrical system) and lights/horn work
    • Check that magneto cover clamps are in place (voice of experience)

    After the ride I drain the cases of excess oil (and keep records as I'm still dialing in the oiler).  I also frequently check all fasteners as they do tend to vibrate loose now and then.

    Enjoy the process.

    John

  • 08 Sep 2024 12:03 PM
    Reply # 13403911 on 13401586

    Thanks all, does anyone know how much oil in the shared primary/gearbox?

    Also are we neg or pos earth?

    Much appreciated

    Chris

  • 09 Sep 2024 1:28 AM
    Reply # 13404083 on 13401586

    Neg  earth   is how they  were   

     if  Your  in Australia   you should be able to Get Penrite  Classic Medium    which is 50  weight oil  Mineral based  oil 

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